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Angels' Flight by Nalini Singh
My rating: 2 of 5 stars

I liked the narration but got discombobulated when going from one story to another!

For someone who now buys more audio books than Kindle books, the above statement is a shocker!

FYI, I have other audio books by her that I enjoy...a lot!

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Zulilly.com: A review

I've now purchased enough items  from this company to feel competent to review it.

Pro:  The prices are generally good.

Con: If you don't like the product, you can't return it. (That's how they keep the prices low.)

Warning: On the jewelry, make sure you have a ruler beside you so you know the exact the size of any piece or you may find you've ordered something you cannot return. I did get one piece as a gift. I liked the color but the piece was considerable smaller than I expected.

The products I've ordered I like but on one of the dresses (below), the quality is rather shoddy so there are strings on the hem that need to be clipped. I did ware the dress and discover upon disrobing that the fabric bleeds. It will need to be hand washed and rinsed well. I'll probably won't put it in the dryer until I am sure I've got the bleeding under control.  I got several complements on it. It's gauzier than I expected.  I like that the design requires no additional neck wear. All I need is a pair of earrings and maybe a bold bracelet. Yes, it is longer in the from and back and shorter on the sides. Perfect for me as I love the fullness but because of the cut, I don't have to worry about it getting caught in the wheels of my electric wheelchair.

I like this top in person but have not worn it yet. I'm thinking it will have the same bleeding problem as the red dress. It will go well with black pants to dress it up, or jeans for a casual look.

 I wore this necklace with a denim dress with red trim. This was a perfect accent and got several complements. I like it because it's not too big or too small and is sort of lacy. 

This just arrived. The color is a bit deeper more a burgundy or maroon. Supper soft.  I already know it will go with many things in my wardrobe!

I wore these with the black and ivory sweater. I love them. They did what I wanted to keep my arms and hands warm and my veins nice and plum for the doctor's vein plan!

 This is lovely and warm (yes, I tried it on). My problem with it is the bits of gold running through it which I think makes it a bit dressier than I wanted.

 This is the black and ivory sweater I wore with the fingerless gloves. ('worked well together.) It's a one size fits off. I had to let it air out as it had a bit of a smell to it.

I love making meatloaf and this is a good size to take to a to a pot luck dinner. I also love banana nut bread and think this would make a presentation dish as well.

I want to make different breads to give as gifts or freeze for us (2 people) for occasional treats or make-a-head meatloafs fast meals comfort meals.

 Yes, another loaf pan. This is a bit bigger than the white one. I like the lifter for many reasons.

 This is going on the ledge behind the bed for charging our cell phones and my iPad over night. Charlie even thinks is cool.

Will I buy more from this site? Yes, but with care and attention to details.

An Ice Cold Grave: Harper Connelly Mysteries, Book 3

They said:

"Hired to find a boy gene missing in Doraville, North Carolina, Harper Connelly and her brother Tolliver head there, only to discover that the boy was the only one left of several who had disappeared over the previous five years. All of them teenagers. All unlikely runaways.

All calling for Harper.

Harper soon finds them—eight victims, buried in the half-frozen ground, all come to an unspeakable end. Afterward, what she most wants to do is collect her fee and get out of town ahead of the media storm that's soon to descend. But when she's attacked and prevented from leaving, she reluctantly becomes a part of the investigation as she learns more than she cares to about the dark mysteries and long-hidden secrets of Doraville—knowledge that makes her the next person likely to rest in an ice-cold grave."

I thought:

Charlaine Harris's did it again. Great writing put me in the middle of things with characters and surrounding that rang true.

If this is your first experience with Harper after reading the Sookie Stackhouse mysteries, don't expect any supernatural beings. The only oddity is her ability to see the last moments of deceased person's life; which came about after being stuck by lightening. With this vehicle Ms. Harris moves the duo around the country for each new mystery.

Alyssa Bresnahan narration was "spot on", as they say in Britain. Each character rang true consistently.

Using one of my Audible.com credits was well spent. If you like a good cozy mystery, keep this one at the top of your list! 

Travel To A Distant Country In A Different Time!

The Blood of Flowers by Anita Amirrezvani
My rating: 5 of 5 stars

This was one of my Audible.com choices. Unfortunately, there is an oops in the recording that therefore messed up the download. The end of the two parts are cut off. It didn't bother me so much on Part 1 but was at a crucial moment in Part 2! (GRRRR!) Naturally I called Audible.com immediately! They are going to fix it and then alert me, so I can get the rest of the story! The question is how long will it take them to fix it! You know how some of us are when we are so into a book that we just have to know, can't wait to know the rest of the story! I'm one of those! What do you do then? ORDER THE BOOK!

Publisher's Summary:

"In 17th-century Persia, a 14-year-old woman believes she will be married within the year. When her beloved father dies, she and her mother find themselves alone and without a dowry. With nowhere else to go, they are forced to sell the brilliant turquoise rug the young woman has woven to pay for their journey to Isfahan, where they will work as servants for her uncle, a rich rug designer in the court of the legendary Shah Abbas the Great.

Despite her lowly station, the young woman blossoms as a brilliant designer of carpets, a rarity in a craft dominated by men. But while her talent flourishes, her prospects for a happy marriage grow dim. Forced into a secret marriage to a wealthy man, the young woman finds herself faced with a daunting decision: forsake her own dignity, or risk everything she has in an effort to create a new life.
©2007 Anita Amirrezvani; (P)2007 Hachette Audio"

And that is where it cuts off! Decision time!

It should have taken just a bit over 13 hours to hear the entire story that is narrated by the rich voice of actress Shohreh Aghdashloo who is originally from Iran. Her voices add so much color to enjoyment of this book! I feel in love with her voice, accent, laugh, and intellect the first time I saw her on the Craig Ferguson show.

Maybe I need to expand a bit. When I read I hear the story in my head with my American accent. I've heard German, French, Irish, Scottish, Russian, Spanish, Chinese, Japanese, and the variety we have in America, and India so sometime a bit of those accents rings in my ears. The voices of the middle eastern countries have not added their music to my ears enough to remember them.

One thing is learned quickly...the role of this woman in 17th century Persia wasn't any better than that of women in Europe in the same socioeconomic level.

Anita Amirrezvani has not only told us the story of a gutsy young woman but bits about rug making from dye to design to finished product. She also gives us some short folk tales of the period.

I am giving you my review how because I cannot see the review changing much with reading the hard copy. It's been out for a while so you should be able to find it in most of your usual haunts! It's almost Halloween, so go haunting those places for this book in any format you like!

UPDATE:

I have now finished both the book and the recording. Sure enough, it was as wonderful as I expected! I loved all the characters in the book because of what they added to not only the understanding their motivation, but also the flavor of the peoples of the time whether good or bad. There is a richness to this book that makes me anxious to see what she comes up with next!

The conversation between the author and narrator at the end of the recording is most interesting!

Who should read this book? I would have gotten a lot out of this book about the age of 13 or 14 so young women, mothers and daughters, people who want to know a bit more about the run making process and their makers, people who love myths and legends! This is definitely on my favorites for 2011!

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The Beginning of an Adventure

A Discovery of Witches by Deborah Harkness
My rating: 5 of 5 stars

Don't you just love it when reviewers seem to be so divided? Made me wonder so I listened to the snippet. I liked the narrator's voice. I liked the summary of the book. I had to find out what the fuss was all about!

I love libraries! I've experienced wandering around and had a book title just sort of leap out at me. So when the story starts out in the Oxford tombs with a manuscript appearing to young scholar Diana Bishop, I'm hooked. Diana is the last in the line of distinguished witches. Unlike her predecessors, she wants NOTHING to do with witchcraft. But her bloodline will win out over her desires. She makes notes about the manuscript and returns it. Soon the tombs are filled with witches, vampires, demons. One vampire, Matthew Clairmont, sticks out to become our hero.

As in all romances, the course of true love is not smooth. Is he, like all the other creatures after her for her ability to summon the manuscript? Is he really her protector? Can he help her deal with her blossoming sorcery abilities? Can he protect her from all the other witches, demons, and vampires who are after her? Most of all, can a witch of her family line and a vampire from an equally distinguish family be allowed to have any kind of relationship?

I liked the way Deborah Harkness moved these characters along in their relationship as the tension about Diana and manuscript escalated. Thing develop smoothly and logically. Some might say "predictable". I wonder if some of that judgement came after the book was finished.

While I liked all the characters, I especially loved the house and its ghosts. I won't tell you why. You'll have to read/listen to find out for yourself!

I wanted to give Jennifer Ikeda 5 stars but couldn't as couple of times accents changed inappropriately that distracted me. (i.e., I gave her 4 stars.)

This was a well used credit! I would highly recommend this book. If the following books are as good as this one, I would recommend the series!Don't you just love it when reviewers seem to be so divided? Made me wonder so I listened to the snippet. I liked the narrator's voice. I liked the summary of the book. I had to find out what the fuss was all about!

I love libraries! I've experienced wandering around and had a book title just sort of leap out at me. So when the story starts out in the Oxford tombs with a manuscript appearing to young scholar Diana Bishop, I'm hooked. Diana is the last in the line of distinguished witches. Unlike her predecessors, she wants NOTHING to do with witchcraft. But her bloodline will win out over her desires. She makes notes about the manuscript and returns it. Soon the tombs are filled with witches, vampires, demons. One vampire, Matthew Clairmont, sticks out to become our hero.

As in all romances, the course of true love is not smooth. Is he, like all the other creatures after her for her ability to summon the manuscript? Is he really her protector? Can he help her deal with her blossoming sorcery abilities? Can he protect her from all the other witches, demons, and vampires who are after her? Most of all, can a witch of her family line and a vampire from an equally distinguish family be allowed to have any kind of relationship?

I liked the way Deborah Harkness moved these characters along in their relationship as the tension about Diana and manuscript escalated. Thing develop smoothly and logically. Some might say "predictable". I wonder if some of that judgement came after the book was finished.

While I liked all the characters, I especially loved the house and its ghosts. I won't tell you why. You'll have to read/listen to find out for yourself!

I wanted to give Jennifer Ikeda 5 stars but couldn't as couple of times accents changed inappropriately that distracted me. (i.e., I gave her 4 stars.)

This was a well used credit! I would highly recommend this book. If the following books are as good as this one, I would recommend the series!

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In the Woods by Tana French
My rating: 5 of 5 stars

There is a body found at an excavation site right by some wood where 20 years ago 2 out of 3 kids disappeared. Are these 2 incidences related? To add to the intrigue, one of the investigators of the new mystery was the one kid who did return.

The interaction between primary investigators was fascinating. By the end of the book, I understood that the next book in the series will probably not involve any of these characters but rather pick up with a new murder mystery and a new team of investigators.

Some people might be disappointed with the lack of Irish accents by the narrator but it didn't bother me as had I read it, I would have heard it with an American accent. The British accent of Steven Crossley was ok with me.

This is a series I will likely follow!

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Need some recipes?

This is a cozy mystery with many, many recipes...a bit more than I like. I felt they were used to fill out a weak story. If you are a baker, the recipes sound really good.

I did like the characters of a mother, her 4 daughters (who have a habit of finding dead bodies), her mother's intended, and the men involved with said daughters. 

While one mystery is solved, the other is left hanging. If you've read many of my reviews, you know I generally like books that don't leave you hanging. This book did not catch me enough to make me want to get the next book in the series or start in from the beginning.

I purchased this book during a recent sale at Audible.com

3 out of 5 stars

Homemade Laundry Soap!!

"Sick of buying laundry soap?? Me too. This stuff is awesome because it is way stronger then the store bought laundry soap. You only have to use 1 Tablespoon per load. This recipe makes a huge cookie jar full of soap and is going to last a life time, well maybe not quit that long. I originally made mine in July and I still have a ton and I do at least 8 loads of laundry ever week. So I am thinking it will last me almost a year. 1 year of laundry soap for less than $20, have I got you sold yet? I love not having to buy laundry soap all the time anymore. This laundry soap also works just fine in HE washers. 

Update: **I just ran out of laundry soap and it is March. So July to March that's 9 months of laundry soap for $20 bucks. I am pretty happy about that.**

Here is what you need:

1 4 lb 12 oz box Borax (2.15 kg or 76 oz) found in the detergent isle

1 4 lb box Arm & Hammer Baking Soda (1.81 kg) found in the cooking isle

1  box Arm & Hammer Super Washing Soda 55 oz (3 lb 7 oz) found in the detergent isle

3 bars of Fels-Naptha soap, found in the detergent isle (if you use Zote bars use 2 bars instead, Zote can be found at Home Depot)

2 small containers of Oxy Clean or store brand Oxy Clean (try to get about 3.5 lbs total (1.58 kg)) found in the detergent isle.  (This is optional, I added it into mine because I have pretty messy kids and the cleaner the better)

You should be able to find all of these items at your grocery store.

**Use 1-2 Tablespoons per load. I know that does not seem like enough but this recipe does not have fillers like the store bought detergent so you only need 1-2 Tablespoons.** 

This detergent is fairly mild smelling, it is not over powering. If you love a strong scent you may have to add a fabric softener or laundry crystals to each load. You can find laundry crystals in the detergent isle.

Start out by grating your Fels-Naptha soap just like cheese. You can use a food processor or just use your hand held grater, what ever you have. Those of you with an HE washer may want to run the mix through the grater again to get an even finer mix.

**Don't worry the Fels-Naptha will dissolve in your washer even if you only use cold water like me.**

Toss all ingredients in a 5 gallon bucket lined with a garbage bag. This part makes your whole house smell great. Once everything is mixed store soap however you like. The recipe makes about 2 gallons worth of detergent. Walmart has large glass jars in the kitchen department."

I got this posting from a blog, Being Creative to Keep My Sanity, for this posting, I just snarfed it because the information is so good! All you gotta do to go directly to her blog, is click her blog name in this paragraph. As soon as I get out of this rehab place, I want to try making this! 

I got this from Being Creative To Keep My Sanity,

Other sites:  http://www.diynatural.com/homemade-laundry-detergent-soap/

A Storm of Swords by George R.R. Martin
Narrator: Roy Dotrice
My rating: 4 of 5 stars

Don't worry if you've not read the previous books, much of the back story is contained herein. For those who have read the previous books, this can be a bit annoying but it did not stop me from enjoying this edition or wanting to get the next book! This, like previous books are quite addictive.

The narrator, Roy Dotrice, really adds to the enjoyment of the story

I purchased this edition from Audible.com.

What An Introduction to Cree Black

City of Masks by Daniel Hech 

5 of 5 stars

Cree Black, a parapsychologist, is contracted by Lila Beauforte to deal with some ghostly apparitions that are appearing in her ancestral home. The 150 year old Beauforte House is located in the Garden District of New Orleans.

What a perfect setting for ghost story! What a perfect ghost story this is! The mystery is enhanced by the narration of Anna Fields. It's a long listen (15 hours, 43 minutes) but you won't be bored as the colorful characters are introduced. Of course New Orleans is one of those "colorful" characters.

Don't enjoy Friday Night Football that continues all weekend long? Find another room, get out the boring knitting pattern and yarn, and LISTEN! Just don't be surprised to find the knitting sitting in your lap because you find yourself so engrossed in the story!

O, I used one of my Audible.com credits in obtaining this this book.

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The Lincoln Lawyer by Michael Connelly
My rating: 4 of 5 stars

I saw the movie and had to get the book to compare. It more than does and Adam Gruper was definitely a contributing factor!

Warning: don't listen at bedtime when you get to an exciting part or you won't sleep due to the adrenaline rush! Yes, it's that good!

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Homemade Laundry Soap

I gotta send you over to Being Creative To Keep My Sanity.  She has all the data (it saves me a lot of typing).  I love saving money.  Click on the blog name to be whisked over there.  I've read the posting throughly and want to try it when I get out of this rehabilitation facility.  I love saving money! Don't you?

The Casual Vacancy by J.K. Rowling
My rating: 2 of 5 stars

I was so excited to get this book! As expected, her writing was beautiful!

But I just could get into, or stay, into it. It just kept putting me to sleep. I finally gave up. Trust me, this is not normal. Maybe this is just a British book. The narrator is good and did not contribute to my faulting the novel.

I've tried several times to read The Casual Vacancy again. Same result. It had nothing to do with this being so different from the Harry Potter series. It was dry and just didn't have any characters that made me want to learn more about them.

I've listen to her Robert Galbraith series, The Cuckoo's Calling, and loved it! So much so, I grabbed the second book of the series, The Silkworm, as soon as I saw it! (Aside: I read The Cuckoo's Calling before I brought The Casual Vacancy.) I'm glad she found a voice that I think crosses "the pond" where The Casual Vacancy did not.



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Nice Girls Don't Have Fangs by Molly Harper
My rating: 5 of 5 stars

Jane's day starts with her getting fired from a job she loves by an incompetent who wants her more incompetent relation to have Jane's job. She goes to "drowned her sorrows" where she meets an irresistibly handsome man who won't go home with her in her drunken condition...she who has not had sex in years! She starts driving herself home only to have her car die. Only to have someone she knows shot her...because he thinks she's a DEER! Really! A DEER?!

But wait...this book has just started. You guessed it. She wakes up to find that Mr. Irresistible is a vampire and has made her one!

What a great way to start a book! If I hadn't been drawn to the need for a light weight book that potentially had lots of laughs by the title, this beginning clenched it! From here I learned more about her "maker", his old but not now vampire friend, a strange "Welcome" lady (she welcomes newly made vampires to the group), her grabby sister, her ghosty aunt, her best friend (male who joins a support group for friends of the "newly turned"), etc.

How does a girl tell her parents of her new status? How does she find a job? How does she learn to deal with her undead status? And who the hell is trying to frame her for murder(s?)?

I know but I'm not going to tell. You have to listen to book to find out for yourself! It's a perfect book for an in-between from those more intense books; for those who just love reading fun books; for those who love a good mystery. It's so much fun you'll have to read the next installment!

I do hope Amanda Ronconi narrates the rest; she did such a good job with this one!

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Destroying Angel by Alanna Knight

Destroying Angel by Alanna Knight
My rating: 5 of 5 stars

"Autumn 1897. Rose McQuinn's stubborn refusal to give up her job as "Lady Detective, Discretion Guaranteed", has cost her the love of her ambitious fiancé, Jack Macmerry. And now it seems that she is to lose her elusive deerhound, Thane, as well. His rightful owner is Hubert, a Royal photographer, who lost him while walking on Arthur's Seat three years earlier."

For a woman to have an "occupation" outside the home was not the norm. I worked for and with two women doctors (one a PhD, one a MD) who were born early in the 1900s. They had to give up much for their very notable careers. Imagine what strength it took Rose to commit to her career. How can a "man" of her time tolerate such behavior? To get a glimpse into the time is wonderful. And if there is a mystery involved, more's the better!

As a dog lover, I can well understand Rose feeling worse about the lose of Thane than the loss of Jack. Dogs love unconditionally. Men don't. And Thane is such a grand dog and companion.

"Hubert has a hidden agenda concerning her role as a crime investigator. As the family's tragic history unfolds, dark secrets are revealed...and a series of suspicious deaths."

This is where the book gets really interesting...the mystery. It's as twisty as you want a good mystery to be; with characters you want to follow.

Of course I did not read this in order! Did I feel I lost anything by jumping in with Book 5 in the series? No. Ms. Knight has a good book that stand well alone. That's my favorite kind of author. One who doesn't need to tack a teaser at the end of a book to get you to buy the next edition.

The narration by Hilary Neville is as good as you want!

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The Brutal Telling by Louise Penny
Narrated by: Ralph Cosham
Length: 13 hrs and 12 mins
Series: Chief Inspector Gamache/Three Pines, Book 5
Format: Unabridged
My rating: 5 of 5 stars

Publisher's Summary:

As autumn descends upon Three Pines, a stranger is found murdered in the village bistro and antique store at the center of town. No one admits to knowing the murdered man, but as secrets are revealed, chaos begins to close in on the beloved bistro owner, Olivier. What past did he leave behind, and why has he buried himself in the tiny village.

A trail of astounding clues and treasures - from first editions of Charlotte's Web and Jane Eyre to a spider web with the word "WOE" woven in it - lead the Chief Inspector deep into the woods and across the continent in search of the truth, then back to Three Pines as the little village braces for the final brutal telling.

My Thoughts:

While reading a blurb on Audible.com about The Long Way Home: Chief Inspector, by Louise Penny, I suddenly realized I knew this main character! Off I went to check my library and sure enough, I had listened to this book! I don't know how long ago I listened to it but I had rated...just not written my review. But you gotta admit, that if I could remember the Inspector, the Three Pines community (and who done it) and more, it had to have been a memorable read (listen)!

It was a good mystery with a very interesting cast of characters! Oh, Three Pines is really one of the characters! This is NOT a "cozy" mystery; one very well narrated by Ralph Cosham.

I'm at a loss as to what more I can tell you without spoilers which I want you to be pulled along as I was!

If the blur above or my excitement doesn't make you want to grab this one any any of its various formats, I don't know what else I can say other than you are missing a damn good book!

P.S. For those who've not read my other views, I don't listen to abridged books...too much good gets lost! AND I adore writers who, while they write a series, make each book complete; without dangling the next one at the end; I adore Louise Penny!

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THE REINCARNATIONIST

Summary:

An epic thriller of secrets, history and murder that will challenge how we think about who we are, and who we were.

THE REINCARNATIONIST is equal parts modern-day thriller, historical fiction and love story. With one foot in present-day Rome and New York and another in Rome some 1,600 years ago, my story is about two worlds consumed by the fires of intrigue and passion.

Photojournalist Josh Ryder survives a terrorist's bomb, only to be haunted by near hallucinatory memories of a past life in Rome as a pagan priest whose dangerous congress with Sabina, one of the Vestal Virgins, poses a transgression so serious the lovers will face a certain death if exposed. Scents of jasmine and sandalwood and images of furtive liaisons and violence descend on Josh at will, pulling him to an ancient yet strangely familiar Roman burial chamber harboring the remains of a woman clutching a wooden box.

A trail of present-day murders takes us deeper into a labyrinth at whose heart lies the enigma of a collection of ancient gems or memory stones whose origins trace back to both ancient Egypt and India. The stones' promise to "assist the wearer in reaching his next incarnation" sets the ancient and modern worlds on a collision course.

The questions of who we are cannot be asked without first asking who we were. And I've tried to answer that using my own research into reincarnation theory - as well as the tenets and writings of those who have studied and believed in reincarnation over thousands of years

Don't miss this 99c sale! All links here to all storeshttp://www.mjrose.com/books/reincarnationist.asp?BookVar=Praise

Another book for my wish list!

'don't know how I got to this book but it is now on my WISH LIST. From the reviews I've read, it looks like the authors found "their voice" in this book so I am going to start my adventure with this one.

Listening to the sample and the narrator sounds good.

No one rated this one below 3 stars (out of 5) on Amazon.

Pub. Summary:  "Gideon Crew, brilliant scientist, master thief, is living on borrowed time. When his mysterious employer, Eli Glinn, gives him an eyebrow-raising mission, he has no reason to refuse. Gideon's task: steal a page from the priceless Book of Kells, now on display in New York City and protected by unbreakable security.
Accomplishing the impossible, Gideon steals the parchment - only to learn that hidden beneath the gorgeously illuminated image is a treasure map dating back to the time of the ancient Greeks. As they ponder the strange map, they realize that the treasure it leads to is no ordinary fortune. It is something far more precious: an amazing discovery that could perhaps even save Gideon's life.
Together with his new partner, Amy, Gideon follows a trail of cryptic clues to an unknown island in a remote corner of the Caribbean Sea. There, off the hostile and desolate Mosquito Coast, the pair realize the extraordinary treasure they are hunting conceals an even greater shock - a revelation so profound that it may benefit the entire human race - if Gideon and Amy can survive.
©2014 Douglas Preston and Lincoln Child (P)2014 Hachette Audio"

Ebook readers can get this from Amazon. Of course there are hard/paperback copies.

Fly, Fly, fly away home!

Diane Kidman, you've done it again!

Now I have a task for someone who asked me if there is anything I need! And keeping flies out of my room is A1! With all the people going in and out of here, there is no way to keep them out of the building (especially if you are close to the door). So if I can keep them out of my room, I'll be happy. Diane has a recipe that apparently works! AND, if it works here, it's gotta work at home!

Oh, you want the recipe, too? Click on A Simple Remedy to Get Rid of Houseflies!

Making the No ‘Poo Resolution

This title is the one that Diane Kidman used on her web side. I am sending you there because in it she has the recipes she uses.

Because I am in a medical facility, I decided to go the Wen way with their starter package as it will be easier on me and the aids that help me.

NOTE: when I get back home, I will go to the No 'Poo solution! I was talking with one of my Occupational Therapists and her Physical Therapist teammate and discovered they are both Wen girls. They, too, find it rather expensive. One has very short hair with the typical negroid texture. The other lady is from Porto Rico with dark, naturally wavy Polynesian hair of medium to long hair. My hair is fine, way thinner that it was when in my thirties when it was thick enough to require thinning and down to my waist. They are thinking about going to No 'Poo as well for the economics of it verse the cost of Wen. I will try to keep you posted when I get my shipment of Wen, then out of here and onto No 'Poo...also, what they experience if they go No 'Poo.